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Aug 3, 2005 11:55:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2005 11:55:17 GMT -5
when we got hit on 9/11 i was all for getting the camps in Afganistan. And of course getting Osama. I want to support our troops when they are sent because really, what the fuck else can little 'ol me do other than that. I even recorded a quick song on my computer about it.
But this thing in Iraq is a joke. i've been thinking about the countries reaction to this war. it seems the public will tolerate 15 soldiers being killed every week. Half of todays population wasent alive then, but during the viet nam war there were 150 killed every week. even then it took, 12 years, 58 000 dead americans, and 3 million dead enemy to realize they made a mistake in going in there in the 1st place. i wonder if todays america would tolerate such high casualties. I wonder what the chimp had in mind when he said " combat operations are over" i wonder how long it will take before people realize that the country's wealth is rapid passing from the working and middle classes and into the pockets of the top 10% of the population. i saw recently where one half of high school students couldn't locate canada on a map. If this is so, how the fuck are they going to know that Iraq is surrounded by 4 hostile countries, has borders that are impossible to control, and would take at least 500,000 troops to secure those borders. the administration seems to think they can occupy a large country on the cheap, using only a minimum of soldiers. All the technology in the world cant accomplish this. If Americans were geograpfically competent they would see the great danger our soldiers are in. me putting up signs that say "support our troops" will not change the fact that we are in a guerilla war which is the worst type of war to fight. we are primarily a sea-air power, and we could kick anybodys ass in a naval or air battle. street to street fighting in a hostile civilation population is bad judgement. of course we could "liberate" them by killing them all with air strikes but i dont think that would go over too well with public opinion
have a good one
cobh
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Aug 3, 2005 12:31:52 GMT -5
Post by Bob Ill on Aug 3, 2005 12:31:52 GMT -5
... i saw recently where one half of high school students couldn't locate canada on a map. ... The state told the schools not to show them where it is in case there is a draft.
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Aug 3, 2005 15:09:47 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2005 15:09:47 GMT -5
LOL. yes yes, thats it !
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Aug 3, 2005 18:09:21 GMT -5
Post by kimmie on Aug 3, 2005 18:09:21 GMT -5
;DThere will be a draft, W's on vacation and too stupid to quit reading my pet goat, but we haven't been attacked since 9-11, only London, etc.
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Aug 5, 2005 9:23:06 GMT -5
Post by wheresyensen714 on Aug 5, 2005 9:23:06 GMT -5
... i saw recently where one half of high school students couldn't locate canada on a map. ... The state told the schools not to show them where it is in case there is a draft. LMAO!!! ;D Good one, Bob!!
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Aug 5, 2005 15:14:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2005 15:14:25 GMT -5
... i saw recently where one half of high school students couldn't locate canada on a map. ... The state told the schools not to show them where it is in case there is a draft. or maybe the state wants our kids to get dumber so they can easily control us.
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Aug 7, 2005 19:19:21 GMT -5
Post by godzmike on Aug 7, 2005 19:19:21 GMT -5
every death is viewed or reported in the media. Your right when you state that during Vietnam, and even more so in WWII, Hell....100's of deaths occurred by means that would totally unravel today's America if it was reported as they are today. The cause of the war and the media and all these circumstances create the tolerance for deaths. Personally I think 1 death is too much, but at what point do you not fight back?
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Iraq
Aug 8, 2005 9:25:34 GMT -5
Post by Bob Ill on Aug 8, 2005 9:25:34 GMT -5
... but at what point do you not fight back? When the people you are killing didn't attack you first?
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Iraq
Aug 8, 2005 12:06:28 GMT -5
Post by godzmike on Aug 8, 2005 12:06:28 GMT -5
Bob,
very true, whether or not in this situation this is relevant or not, but at times those funding or pulling the strings are not actually the soldiers or attackers. Therefore, it's useless to be aggressive to the soldier but rather the institution that funds or controls, for they'll always find another people to do they're "dirty" work for them. Heck, if the price is right, it might your or my next door neighbor.
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Iraq
Aug 8, 2005 16:24:00 GMT -5
Post by Bob Ill on Aug 8, 2005 16:24:00 GMT -5
Bob, very true, whether or not in this situation this is relevant or not, but at times those funding or pulling the strings are not actually the soldiers or attackers. Therefore, it's useless to be aggressive to the soldier but rather the institution that funds or controls, for they'll always find another people to do they're "dirty" work for them. Heck, if the price is right, it might your or my next door neighbor. I prefer that each individual be responsible for his own actions. If we were talking about a hired killer you wouldn't say that it was only the person that did the hiring that was to blame. The hit man could refuse. Either a soldier is mature enough to agree to a contract...or he isn't. If he isn't, the contract is null and void. If he is, he could, and should, refuse to perform wrongful acts. If the military is a group of brainwashed marionettes that can't, or won't, make moral judgements, it should be abolished.
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Iraq
Aug 10, 2005 11:27:09 GMT -5
Post by MotorheadBob on Aug 10, 2005 11:27:09 GMT -5
Bob, very true, whether or not in this situation this is relevant or not, but at times those funding or pulling the strings are not actually the soldiers or attackers. Therefore, it's useless to be aggressive to the soldier but rather the institution that funds or controls, for they'll always find another people to do they're "dirty" work for them. Heck, if the price is right, it might your or my next door neighbor. I prefer that each individual be responsible for his own actions. If we were talking about a hired killer you wouldn't say that it was only the person that did the hiring that was to blame. The hit man could refuse. Either a soldier is mature enough to agree to a contract...or he isn't. If he isn't, the contract is null and void. If he is, he could, and should, refuse to perform wrongful acts. If the military is a group of brainwashed marionettes that can't, or won't, make moral judgements, it should be abolished. Most kids join the military to get money for college. They have NO idea of what the government wants to do with them once they join. And once you join, you are in. You can object and be imprisoned and finally be discharged, but that can be a very long and hard ordeal. If we abolish the military then get ready to speak another language and lose ALL OF YOUR FREEDOMS, because we will be taken over by a foreign power. THEN WHAT? This country is not perfect and the few do rule over the many....but what can be done? We can't get rid of ALL our politicians! Somewhere, somehow someway we must convince our leaders to take care of US before we all perish. Remember, no civilization has lasted forever. Was that a ramble or what! Whew. Alright, who's next?
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Aug 11, 2005 10:08:18 GMT -5
Post by Bob Ill on Aug 11, 2005 10:08:18 GMT -5
I prefer that each individual be responsible for his own actions. If we were talking about a hired killer you wouldn't say that it was only the person that did the hiring that was to blame. The hit man could refuse. Either a soldier is mature enough to agree to a contract...or he isn't. If he isn't, the contract is null and void. If he is, he could, and should, refuse to perform wrongful acts. If the military is a group of brainwashed marionettes that can't, or won't, make moral judgements, it should be abolished. Most kids... young men and women... are lured into a giant socialistic welfare scheme... ...because evidently their parents and other advisors are in on the scheme. That's why it is important for parents to advise their "kids" not to join the military. The US has millions of gun owners. The US military can't secure downtown Baghdad. How could any foreign power that ever was take over america? It has never happened and never will. That "speaking a foreign language" bit is part of the brainwashing. Isn't it worth a try? It is not human nature for leaders to take care of others - only to take from them. That's why I am an anarchist. No one should have the power that current politicians have. ...now that I've vanquished BH.
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Aug 11, 2005 19:57:38 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2005 19:57:38 GMT -5
this is very interesting. alot of what you all say is right. when things get very deep like this, sometimes i like to break them down.
we should not have gone into Iraq. BH is right when he says " they didnt attack us first" no they did not. that is for sure. But let me just say that if thats not a good enough reason to have skipped this, how about THE FUCKING MONEY the chimp has spent on this dam war. Just off the top of my head, i beleive its up to 200 billion dollars in 2 years. arent there about 250 million people in the US. thats $ 800 for every person alive. I'd rather have the $800. then my credit card would be at zero.
I have to say i was a bit surprised by MH Bobs Breakdown of why people join the military. Arent you a Vet? How can you say they dont know what they are getting into. They would have to be on another planet to not realize they might see combat ever since the first gulf war. Yes i beleive they mostly join for the money and benefits and a future,and thats a decent reason for some, but they know they might get killed because the chimp wants to become the little sheriff.
also BH, when you speak of moral judgements, now you are deciding what morals people should live by. yours ? havent you yourself said somewhere something to the effect of " Why should you (muc) decide who can stand on that street corner" maybe the soldier beleives they are morally correct to kill on command or to do as they are told while in the service. if they beleive this in their heart then i dont have a problem with it. everyone is different.
bottom line. we dont need to be there. we got hit and will get hit again because we allow to many people to easily come into our country. thats why it happened. thats directly why it happened. dont think too deep. we should cease immigration for 10 years and secure our borders with the national guard. this will save billions and help get my credit card paid. i want that fucking card paid. i had to use it for beer again today. i see no reason to spend it on people who dont even want us to help them. this will never work over there NEVER ! they blow up eveything we fix every day. why bother. who cares.
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Iraq
Aug 12, 2005 9:44:40 GMT -5
Post by Bob Ill on Aug 12, 2005 9:44:40 GMT -5
...also BH, when you speak of moral judgements, now you are deciding what morals people should live by. yours ? That's a valid question because morals differ. I try to follow the Golden Rule. That might be a good place to start for soldiers behavior. IOW, whenever one receives a command, he could decide if obeying it means treating others as he would want to be treated. Yes. I guess the decision to follow most commands is made at the time of voluntary enlistment. But whether to obey obviously immoral ones must still reside with the individual is he is to retain his humanity.
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Aug 12, 2005 10:07:02 GMT -5
Post by Bob Ill on Aug 12, 2005 10:07:02 GMT -5
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