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Post by Bob Ill on Oct 17, 2011 11:19:55 GMT -5
road side shakedowns and being stopped searched and robbed would happen every hour. This happened to me in Jamaica. I had to give them money and other items to continue on our journey. Who knows the driver may have even been in on it. this also happened to my buddy in Africa and he and his then wife were almost shot murdered and dumped in the woods. Only they got shookdown by the army. But it was your problem we were trying to solve, so which do you want more police presence...or less? Were you armed in Jamaica? In the anarchy, you would be. The African "army" is the state. There is no "right" to worldwide safe travel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2011 13:15:46 GMT -5
oh lord help me. Look Bob... The Govt will not go away. I/you/we have to live by their law. I am all for this dream world you propose. But dont like to waste alot of my thoughts on such things that will never happen. certainly in my life time.
What i was trying to say was. the police can shake us down now as they please. and in your world where the sky is purple and everything will simply work out, we would get it just the same. only it would be by the private property owners and their posse. now it is The US govt and their posse. I rather be shook down by a local or state police force because they probably will not kill me. but YOU might if I did a 50 foot wheelie on ur street. if i do a 50 foot wheelie on the local cops street ( which is really my street as i may have paid for it) I will be fined, maybe jailed. but i doubt they would rip me off kill me and dump me in the woods.
My point was the road stops should not happen here now today. but there is nothing i can do except stay home. i suppose that IS possible to do.
no i could not be armed in Jamaica as i am not allowed to carry a weapon on the plane. In the future i would consider buying one as soon as I land. even a large knife.
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Post by sonofabelch on Oct 17, 2011 20:53:50 GMT -5
Without a doubt, roadblocks suck. Personally I think they violate constitutional protections against unreasonable searches- after all, you're not being stopped because they think you've done something. You're being stopped because they are hoping to randomly catch people doing something.
But, we're also dealing with two different sets of rules. What governs the feds doesn't always govern the states and vice versa. Sucks, but that's the way it is right now.
On the good side, people are starting to nudge back at these stops. I saw a couple of videos now where this one dude goes through stops and refuses to roll his window down. He holds his license up to the window and doesn't say a word. When the cops told him to roll his window down he just kept staying no lol. After about 15 minutes of the cops trying to figure out if any laws were being broken, they finally had to give up and let him go.
Pretty funny in a way when you see it, but when you think about it, sometimes we just take it for granted that we get bullied into compliance all the time. All it takes is to stand your ground once in a while when you know you are right and watching them back off is like watching the sun rise.
You learn a lot when you carry a gun every day, too. Those things I thought were a given are simply smoke and mirrors designed to keep you passive. I know the laws, and the ways they try to trap you in their webs. I refuse to be bullied by cops who know less about the subject than your average 2nd grader.
If you go through a roadblock in the states, all you have to do is produce your license. You don't have to get out, you don't have to agree to be searched, and you don't have to talk with them. All of that is voluntary on your part. No cop can prove guild based on you exercising your rights to remain silent. remember, anything you say can and WILL be used against you. That little ditty right there should be enough for anyone to shut the hell up during these stops. Don't submit to anything on a voluntary basis. Call their bluff and make them come up with something.
If they don't smell alcohol, your papers are in order, and no one has a warrant, they have nothing but a hope that someone stupids their way into an arrest.
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Post by Bob Ill on Oct 18, 2011 13:28:33 GMT -5
.......Again, this is a THEORETICAL discussion about how a free market and private property might help solve some common complaints. Of course, I can't prove that it will ever be tried...only that I think it should be. Apparently, you two agree on that point - that private roads, for instance, would eliminate government police fishing stops. That is all I wanted to point out.
I disagree that private thugs are worse; they don't have legitimacy, fighter jets, drones, tanks nor aircraft carriers. They have all the same things you or I would be able to have under the same conditions. And, after all, if they had a majority, it could be I that was the "outlaw". I might actually be trespassing on their road/property. Maybe I should pay a toll.
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